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		<title>By: adam mclane</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2008/11/17/the-personal-preference-sin/#comment-7013</link>
		<dc:creator>adam mclane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin- humbled that you&#039;d be reading through stuff from 2008. This was certainly one of those posts when a lot of people chimed in. I can&#039;t remember if I specifically if I continued on and followed-up/through with a series. But this is the category where I blog about that topic:
http://adammclane.com/category/church-leadership/

I&#039;ve written on the topics brought up in this post a lot since. In fact, I&#039;m working on a larger work (ebook?) about the heresies we believe in Evangelicalism which are synchrotisms with the American Dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin- humbled that you&#8217;d be reading through stuff from 2008. This was certainly one of those posts when a lot of people chimed in. I can&#8217;t remember if I specifically if I continued on and followed-up/through with a series. But this is the category where I blog about that topic:<br />
<a href="http://adammclane.com/category/church-leadership/" rel="nofollow">http://adammclane.com/category/church-leadership/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written on the topics brought up in this post a lot since. In fact, I&#8217;m working on a larger work (ebook?) about the heresies we believe in Evangelicalism which are synchrotisms with the American Dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Harris</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2008/11/17/the-personal-preference-sin/#comment-7012</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam - With regards to your last post on this discussion, have you written any follow up posts on &quot;what is worth dividing over, what does this have to do with long-suffering, more discussion of our broken DNA as evangelicals, etc.&quot; that you could point me to. I loved reading the conversation that this post brought about and was hoping that it has continued somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam &#8211; With regards to your last post on this discussion, have you written any follow up posts on &#8220;what is worth dividing over, what does this have to do with long-suffering, more discussion of our broken DNA as evangelicals, etc.&#8221; that you could point me to. I loved reading the conversation that this post brought about and was hoping that it has continued somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: adammclane.com &#187; &#187; Longsuffering in the church</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2008/11/17/the-personal-preference-sin/#comment-4388</link>
		<dc:creator>adammclane.com &#187; &#187; Longsuffering in the church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] key component to the personal preference sin so prevalent in the United States evangelical church is a lack of respect for the word, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: adammclane.com &#187; &#187; Top posts for November</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2008/11/17/the-personal-preference-sin/#comment-4379</link>
		<dc:creator>adammclane.com &#187; &#187; Top posts for November</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2008/11/17/the-personal-preference-sin/#comment-4282</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There would be only one charge:  that the church today doesn&#039;t understand what it means to be like Jesus, people of grace and truth.  If we meditated on this and sought to live in balance in this way, we would truly be transformed as a people and we would indeed be His instuments to change this world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There would be only one charge:  that the church today doesn&#8217;t understand what it means to be like Jesus, people of grace and truth.  If we meditated on this and sought to live in balance in this way, we would truly be transformed as a people and we would indeed be His instuments to change this world!</p>
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		<title>By: adam mclane</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2008/11/17/the-personal-preference-sin/#comment-4279</link>
		<dc:creator>adam mclane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this thread has taught me one thing, it&#039;s that I need to follow it up with some more posts and thoughts. 

- What is worth dividing over?
- What does this have to do with long-suffering?
- More discussion of our broken DNA as evangelicals.
- Stories of restoration.

Anything else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this thread has taught me one thing, it&#8217;s that I need to follow it up with some more posts and thoughts. </p>
<p>- What is worth dividing over?<br />
- What does this have to do with long-suffering?<br />
- More discussion of our broken DNA as evangelicals.<br />
- Stories of restoration.</p>
<p>Anything else?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2008/11/17/the-personal-preference-sin/#comment-4277</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post convo has gotten quite long (woo hoo!!) and I may have missed this, but Adam, correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but I think there&#039;s another part to this sin.  

Amy- I&#039;m glad you&#039;re sticking up for the theological core...  Rock on!

What I believe (and sounds along the lines of Adam&#039;s recent dialogue) is that people are often saying, I REALLY don&#039;t like _____ about my church.  Now, that can be either a healthy statement or a poisonous one.  It all comes down to the response.  If the response is, &quot;I&#039;ll just get my needs met somewhere else.&quot;  That&#039;s a selfish attitude.  Period.  Instead of hitting the eject button, hit the pause button for a minute...  Ask a couple questions that make the issue less about what we get out of it, but how to CONTRIBUTE to the cause.  What can I do to help _____ be better?  Can I help _____ improve?  If you&#039;re not willing to be part of the solution, do you really have the right to complain?  I don&#039;t think so.  To me the sin becomes evident when abandonment is just easier than rolling up your sleeves and helping out.  
Another issue is that people often don&#039;t understand the goal of how something functions.  They reserve the right to complain without the opportunity of feedback.  It saddens my heart when I or another leader get &#039;hate mail&#039; (Definition of hate mail= negative feedback letters mysteriously without senders name or signature)  That shows an unwillingness for discussion or understanding...  and ultimately, again... selfishness and being unteachable.  Often people bolt before even taking time to understand why something is the way it is.  This is where consumerism of the church drives me crazy.  Don&#039;t like the music selection?  I&#039;ll shop, ahem, attend Wal-Mart Community Church instead.  No, parking lot&#039;s too big.  I&#039;ll try Kmart Christian&#039;s Blue light Jesus.  No, the Aisles are too crowded there.  How about Church-A-Lot? Nah...  It&#039;s like Seinfeld episode where Jerry breaks &quot;The Pact&quot;  After deciding to change his ways, and &#039;be a man&#039;, moments later, he breaks up with his girlfriend because she eats her peas one at a time, but scoops corn nibblets.  How vexing!  People need to take a long look and make sure it&#039;s not the trivialities that cause them to leave the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post convo has gotten quite long (woo hoo!!) and I may have missed this, but Adam, correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I think there&#8217;s another part to this sin.  </p>
<p>Amy- I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re sticking up for the theological core&#8230;  Rock on!</p>
<p>What I believe (and sounds along the lines of Adam&#8217;s recent dialogue) is that people are often saying, I REALLY don&#8217;t like _____ about my church.  Now, that can be either a healthy statement or a poisonous one.  It all comes down to the response.  If the response is, &#8220;I&#8217;ll just get my needs met somewhere else.&#8221;  That&#8217;s a selfish attitude.  Period.  Instead of hitting the eject button, hit the pause button for a minute&#8230;  Ask a couple questions that make the issue less about what we get out of it, but how to CONTRIBUTE to the cause.  What can I do to help _____ be better?  Can I help _____ improve?  If you&#8217;re not willing to be part of the solution, do you really have the right to complain?  I don&#8217;t think so.  To me the sin becomes evident when abandonment is just easier than rolling up your sleeves and helping out.<br />
Another issue is that people often don&#8217;t understand the goal of how something functions.  They reserve the right to complain without the opportunity of feedback.  It saddens my heart when I or another leader get &#8216;hate mail&#8217; (Definition of hate mail= negative feedback letters mysteriously without senders name or signature)  That shows an unwillingness for discussion or understanding&#8230;  and ultimately, again&#8230; selfishness and being unteachable.  Often people bolt before even taking time to understand why something is the way it is.  This is where consumerism of the church drives me crazy.  Don&#8217;t like the music selection?  I&#8217;ll shop, ahem, attend Wal-Mart Community Church instead.  No, parking lot&#8217;s too big.  I&#8217;ll try Kmart Christian&#8217;s Blue light Jesus.  No, the Aisles are too crowded there.  How about Church-A-Lot? Nah&#8230;  It&#8217;s like Seinfeld episode where Jerry breaks &#8220;The Pact&#8221;  After deciding to change his ways, and &#8216;be a man&#8217;, moments later, he breaks up with his girlfriend because she eats her peas one at a time, but scoops corn nibblets.  How vexing!  People need to take a long look and make sure it&#8217;s not the trivialities that cause them to leave the church.</p>
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		<title>By: adam mclane</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2008/11/17/the-personal-preference-sin/#comment-4276</link>
		<dc:creator>adam mclane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the open hand analogy. I think that&#039;s better than the other more loaded term</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the open hand analogy. I think that&#8217;s better than the other more loaded term</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2008/11/17/the-personal-preference-sin/#comment-4275</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure my background as a Catholic, and then my leaving Catholicism for Protestantism out of theological conviction has had a lot to do with where I am coming from! I am inspired to read more about the Lord&#039;s Supper to better form my understanding about it.  That aside, I agree with just about everything you said in your last comment. But rather than relativism, how about we say we should be holding things with an open hand? Relativism implies that there is no right answer, whereas holding truth openly acknowledges that there is a right answer, but we only see though a mirror darkly.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure my background as a Catholic, and then my leaving Catholicism for Protestantism out of theological conviction has had a lot to do with where I am coming from! I am inspired to read more about the Lord&#8217;s Supper to better form my understanding about it.  That aside, I agree with just about everything you said in your last comment. But rather than relativism, how about we say we should be holding things with an open hand? Relativism implies that there is no right answer, whereas holding truth openly acknowledges that there is a right answer, but we only see though a mirror darkly.  <img src='http://adammclane.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: adam mclane</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2008/11/17/the-personal-preference-sin/#comment-4273</link>
		<dc:creator>adam mclane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy, again I&#039;m loving this conversation. I don&#039;t know if your example is so clear biblically as you think it is. There is a pretty large argument from silence there with about 2000 years of church history mixed in. Because Paul described one way of practicing communion doesn&#039;t mean that&#039;s the only acceptable way. We know that it was practiced differently even in the 1st century church. 

I think the bigger thing I want to point you to is just a statement of fact. If people left churches, started denominations, etc. over serious theological differences I think that would be ok. But to start a new denomination because you think baptisms should only be done in flowing water and never indoors? You&#039;d agree with me that it&#039;s pretty trivial. 

As I served in local churches for the past 10 years, I rarely encountered a single person who left a church because of doctrinal issues. Typically it was a &quot;I like ____ better&quot; decision. I like the pastor better, the youth group better, the worship better, the ___ better.

As far as being relativistic... I dunno. I think that maybe the problem here is that people go to church not relativistic ENOUGH! When it comes to theology we need to use a bigger, more forgiving pen. Even Bible colleges are starting to back down from the rigidity that I was trained under... Shifting from SysTheo to Biblical Theology is a big step!

I dunno, I don&#039;t have all the answers. But I did want to point out that most of the problem isn&#039;t theological differences on meat issues but on the trivial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy, again I&#8217;m loving this conversation. I don&#8217;t know if your example is so clear biblically as you think it is. There is a pretty large argument from silence there with about 2000 years of church history mixed in. Because Paul described one way of practicing communion doesn&#8217;t mean that&#8217;s the only acceptable way. We know that it was practiced differently even in the 1st century church. </p>
<p>I think the bigger thing I want to point you to is just a statement of fact. If people left churches, started denominations, etc. over serious theological differences I think that would be ok. But to start a new denomination because you think baptisms should only be done in flowing water and never indoors? You&#8217;d agree with me that it&#8217;s pretty trivial. </p>
<p>As I served in local churches for the past 10 years, I rarely encountered a single person who left a church because of doctrinal issues. Typically it was a &#8220;I like ____ better&#8221; decision. I like the pastor better, the youth group better, the worship better, the ___ better.</p>
<p>As far as being relativistic&#8230; I dunno. I think that maybe the problem here is that people go to church not relativistic ENOUGH! When it comes to theology we need to use a bigger, more forgiving pen. Even Bible colleges are starting to back down from the rigidity that I was trained under&#8230; Shifting from SysTheo to Biblical Theology is a big step!</p>
<p>I dunno, I don&#8217;t have all the answers. But I did want to point out that most of the problem isn&#8217;t theological differences on meat issues but on the trivial.</p>
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