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		<title>By: adam mclane</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2009/07/01/two-views-of-the-local-church/#comment-5861</link>
		<dc:creator>adam mclane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@todd- you&#039;re a riot. Yes, the illustration is a little along those lines, isn&#039;t it?

@ben- I really wish I knew a solution. I do know that all organizations, as they institutionalize, insulate themselves from people outside of the organization. It&#039;s true in non-profits, business, religious orgs, etc. I suppose my thought for those of us who work within the church institution is to recognize that our work there services the 5% and not the 95%. We need to be cognizant to have a professional life and a real life of ministry outside of the institution. 

Part of me is openly wondering if we need to start a new movement... almost an antithesis of church as we know it to reach the 95%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@todd- you&#8217;re a riot. Yes, the illustration is a little along those lines, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>@ben- I really wish I knew a solution. I do know that all organizations, as they institutionalize, insulate themselves from people outside of the organization. It&#8217;s true in non-profits, business, religious orgs, etc. I suppose my thought for those of us who work within the church institution is to recognize that our work there services the 5% and not the 95%. We need to be cognizant to have a professional life and a real life of ministry outside of the institution. </p>
<p>Part of me is openly wondering if we need to start a new movement&#8230; almost an antithesis of church as we know it to reach the 95%.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Hammond</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2009/07/01/two-views-of-the-local-church/#comment-5855</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@adam

I agree with you about the Institutionalized church, but do assume there where people in the early church that grew explosively that were supported (at least in some sense) by the area they served in (Paul talked about have every right to have that, but he didn&#039;t - which means that we could aspire for what Paul did too). Also, the institutionalized church in China could never grow. It&#039;s legal, but it&#039;s not really legal for it to grow. And there can only be so many that are officially Christian by law. The places are packed out too. 

That being said, these two pictures are fantastic and should be very sobering for anyone who sees them. Displays perfectly what&#039;s been in my mind for quite a while.</description>
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<p>I agree with you about the Institutionalized church, but do assume there where people in the early church that grew explosively that were supported (at least in some sense) by the area they served in (Paul talked about have every right to have that, but he didn&#8217;t &#8211; which means that we could aspire for what Paul did too). Also, the institutionalized church in China could never grow. It&#8217;s legal, but it&#8217;s not really legal for it to grow. And there can only be so many that are officially Christian by law. The places are packed out too. </p>
<p>That being said, these two pictures are fantastic and should be very sobering for anyone who sees them. Displays perfectly what&#8217;s been in my mind for quite a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Tolson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Tolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...how very ASBO Jesus of you  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;how very ASBO Jesus of you  <img src='http://adammclane.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: adam mclane</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2009/07/01/two-views-of-the-local-church/#comment-5840</link>
		<dc:creator>adam mclane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I think of this, the more I realize what a quandry this leaves my friends who work at churches. On the one hand they already know the numbers and know they live in denial of the 95%. On the other, they have got to pander to the 5% in order to make a living. 

The hard core truth is that in order to stay working at churches you have to forget the vision Luke paints in Acts. Institutionalization of Christianity was the only thing that could stop the virus of Christianity that started in in AD 33 and grew explosively until Rome adopted it as their state religion 200 years later. Look at China as the antithesis for the US church. Where it is legal and institutionalized the church doesn&#039;t grow. Where it is illegal and viral it grows like mad.

The real question is this: Could unpaid volunteers create a movement that required almost no resources that reached the 95%?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I think of this, the more I realize what a quandry this leaves my friends who work at churches. On the one hand they already know the numbers and know they live in denial of the 95%. On the other, they have got to pander to the 5% in order to make a living. </p>
<p>The hard core truth is that in order to stay working at churches you have to forget the vision Luke paints in Acts. Institutionalization of Christianity was the only thing that could stop the virus of Christianity that started in in AD 33 and grew explosively until Rome adopted it as their state religion 200 years later. Look at China as the antithesis for the US church. Where it is legal and institutionalized the church doesn&#8217;t grow. Where it is illegal and viral it grows like mad.</p>
<p>The real question is this: Could unpaid volunteers create a movement that required almost no resources that reached the 95%?</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Hornok</title>
		<link>http://adammclane.com/2009/07/01/two-views-of-the-local-church/#comment-5839</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Hornok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why we should always have new believers who have a circle of non-church friends, blending worlds. We do become so saturated. I think we&#039;re actually supposed to hate the bubble! The more we hate it, more outwardly focused we can be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why we should always have new believers who have a circle of non-church friends, blending worlds. We do become so saturated. I think we&#8217;re actually supposed to hate the bubble! The more we hate it, more outwardly focused we can be!</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Deans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Deans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! Good stuff! Let&#039;s go reach the 95%!</description>
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		<title>By: adam mclane</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam mclane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that you&#039;re focused on ministering to the 5% instead of leading a movement for the 95%? Perspective makes all the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that you&#8217;re focused on ministering to the 5% instead of leading a movement for the 95%? Perspective makes all the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Gman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m never satisfied but problem with me is having the balance of ministry and family.</description>
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