http://adammclane.com/2009/10/19/what-good-works/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 http://adammclane.com/2009/10/19/what-good-works/#comment-6901 Peter Marin Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:37:27 +0000 http://adammclane.com/?p=5149#comment-6901 I enjoyed your soap-box rage on this topic as it used to bother me quite a bit. I have been observing how church 'leaders' morph good-works. I chalk-it-up now as a testing methodology into the congregation so as to properly measure who's out-there and what motivates them. Applying program-drivers are like training-wheel appliances into the church talent-pool. Such drivers start with top-down direction that can be highly customized by 'program-driven' leaders. Such drivers are always simple, extremely easy to begin, eliminates dissenters, requires little or no rationale [perception-lite], radically self-defines and tends to sort itself out through a mixture of volunteerism with measureable levels of talent. See, nothing but benefits! What's wrong with that? Since such programs are disposable if deemed 'over' then they can evaluate who has what talent, williness and hands-on team-play so as to re-direct for the next go around. My dad used to call this 'indoor-sports.' It's fun, really, once to you get the hang of it. I especially like the burn-out experienced by those at the bottom of the pyramid who are giving it their all at the end when a program becomes 'over.' I enjoyed your soap-box rage on this topic as it used to bother me quite a bit. I have been observing how church ‘leaders’ morph good-works. I chalk-it-up now as a testing methodology into the congregation so as to properly measure who’s out-there and what motivates them. Applying program-drivers are like training-wheel appliances into the church talent-pool. Such drivers start with top-down direction that can be highly customized by ‘program-driven’ leaders. Such drivers are always simple, extremely easy to begin, eliminates dissenters, requires little or no rationale [perception-lite], radically self-defines and tends to sort itself out through a mixture of volunteerism with measureable levels of talent. See, nothing but benefits! What’s wrong with that? Since such programs are disposable if deemed ‘over’ then they can evaluate who has what talent, williness and hands-on team-play so as to re-direct for the next go around. My dad used to call this ‘indoor-sports.’ It’s fun, really, once to you get the hang of it. I especially like the burn-out experienced by those at the bottom of the pyramid who are giving it their all at the end when a program becomes ‘over.’

]]> http://adammclane.com/2009/10/19/what-good-works/#comment-6858 Brit Windel Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:07:16 +0000 http://adammclane.com/?p=5149#comment-6858 I would say that the problem even runs deeper adam. our view of Gods Kingdom is limited to the building and the 'kingdom' we as ministers try to build in this world. Dallas Willard talks in great depth about this self-fulfilled-kingdom building. We build our representations of what we think the kingdom looks like and sadly for most churches that is business and programs hid in discipleship and ministry... (sorry thats kind of judgmental and rash...but still accurate in some cases) I would say that the problem even runs deeper adam. our view of Gods Kingdom is limited to the building and the ‘kingdom’ we as ministers try to build in this world. Dallas Willard talks in great depth about this self-fulfilled-kingdom building. We build our representations of what we think the kingdom looks like and sadly for most churches that is business and programs hid in discipleship and ministry… (sorry thats kind of judgmental and rash…but still accurate in some cases)

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