Month: January 2005

  • sunday school: is it good?

    Every once in a while the topic of Sunday School comes up among the YS brethren. When most youth workers hear the words “Sunday School” they groan. I will readily admit that there are times when I don’t like it, refuse to like it, and wish that we didn’t do it.

    I feel like for a lot of us paid staff people, Sunday School is the stereotypical self-fulfilling prophesy. We don’t really like it and in order to prove to the church that it’s something we shouldn’t be doing we don’t try very hard to make the best of it… Then we tell people behind the scenes “Sunday School isn’t very effective.” Shame on we who do this. Sunday School is ineffective because of the attitude we bring to it. We allow it to become and afterthought because we don’t like it. (These are the same trolls who complain about folks who don’t like their precious music. They cry “they’ve pre-judged it and pre-decided that they hate it to destroy it” but yet do the same thing with Sunday School.)

    If I were starting over a new paradigm of church I don’t know if I would create Sunday School. But it is something that I chose to do and it’s something that I chose to include in the Light Force vision. I chose to use Sunday School strategically to educate and challenge students towards the goal of their “intentionally modeling a lifestyle full devoted to becoming disciples of Jesus Christ.”

    This means that I express my creativity in Sunday School. I work hard in preparing plans and lessons that have impact. I do my best to create a learning environment. I teach relevant topics. (Sunday AM is for application while Wed nite is for Bible teaching.)

    I think the difference between me and “the SS whiners” who are so loud on the YS forums is that I have a different attitude. I don’t just say “yeah, I do Sunday School because it’s part of the job.” I say, “I like Sunday School because I can see how God can use it powerfully in students lives and I want it to be a valuable part of my ministry!” I believe that this attitude sets me up for success in Sunday School. My students know that I like to be there, that I am excited about what we are learning, and that I care that they learn what I am teaching. I give it my best.

    I think the reality is that this reflects on these folks character. They accept a job knowing that it has a component that they don’t like. Then they allow their personal preference to become a bad attitude. Then they allow their personal preferences laced bad attitude to spread. Pretty soon they figure that since “everyone hates it” that it can’t be valuable. In fact, their sinful attitude has poisoned something that God could have used and they are in need of repenting to their students, their leadership, and most of all to God. When they reject their personal preferences for what God can do… I think they will see tremendous benefit in all that they do.

    God deserves our very best. If we have been charged to lead and teach folks in our churches, chose to do it in an attitude reflecting our love and devotion to the Lord and not love and devotion to what we want.

  • YS Forum Credibility- Part 2

    Here is the rest of my Top 50.

    26. GRamsey2 8 A solid poster whom I often agree with. Even when I disagree, it is freindly.

    27. Dogfish Jones 7 Good poster. Often times has lots of good things to add to a dialogue.

    28. iamnettie 3 Rarely agree with. I’m sure a nice person, but I don’t get her personality.

    29. memphissound 5 I’m nuetral because I’ve never recall agreeing or disagreeing with this poster.

    30. Boltman 9 I like Jerry a lot. He’s so open and obviously humble that you just want to flock to his posts.

    31. caritas45 8 Rarely have a lot in common, but I have respect.

    32. estall 4 I think perhaps he moves conversations his way too often. I don’t like to feel like I’m being led.

    33. bonfireben 7 Usually has nice things to add.

    34. antee barrett 4 I don’t know why, but I rarely read the posts.

    35. Digger321 6 Pretty neutral. I’ll listen and respond when he posts.

    36. angieukfan 2 Seems to be only interested in the fun and gun stuff. She posts in uge spurts!

    37. kal 7 I like the posts, would like to see more.

    38. uthgeek 6 Like a lot of the moderators, I think this poster lets the role get in the way of what he wants to say.

    39. Charlie Tuna 5 Another “spurts” poster. I generally like general discussion posts but miss the rest.

    40. tokyoev 4 A former teacher and rarely can see outside of his situation.

    41. element26 7 Dave seems to be experienced but not overly cocky.

    42. daveleeandrews 7 Same as above. Are these the same people?

    43. renewed2day 6 I’ll read the posts. Seems to be a good discussion oriented person.

    44. jmclark21 3 I don’t like 99% of what she writes. Seems like a lose cannon.

    45. TLK N/A No specific recollection.

    46. ytminister4life N/A No specific recollection.

    47. rightwinger 6 I like this guy… he’s new but at least he isn’t overtly trying to gain cred. (Well, been around since 03… but just started to post more.)

    48. PadreC 4 Not sure why, but I will scan over a lot of his posts. On the contrary, I’ve seen some excellent stuff. Probably moody like me.

    49. trdconsult 6 Pretty solid, normal poster.

    50. Gracesmom04 2 I think this is Angieku fans new login. A misc. post monster!

    As I scan the next 50 on the list, I see a lot of names worth mentioning. But I don’t want to go all out. It is interesting that the number of posts drops off dramatically from 51-100. To make the Top 50 right now you need more than 1200 posts. To make the Top 100 it is only 650. Likewise, to make the Top 10 you need 3000! There is a gap of 7500 hundred posts between #1 and #2!

    I am currently at 2762.

  • King’s dream and ours

    I’ve included the text of a nice article written for the Baptist Press.

    yesterday saddened because while we reflected on how far we’ve come since Dr. King died, we still have a long way to go. I wish it were true, but I am ashamed to say that I work at a church that would not hire an African American. I long to be on equal footing in every way, but I can only hope that in Megan and Paul’s generation the church will deal with it’s segregationalist attitude from both side of the fence and heal the wounds.

    The reality is that the most bigoted people I have ever met were African American. I regularly experienced reverse discrimination at Blue Cross. While no where near what others have experienced, I do have know of the shadow of what it must be like. Perhaps one day Dr. King’s dream speach will become a reality in our churches?

    FIRST-PERSON: King’s dream and ours

    Jan 17, 2005

    By R. Albert Mohler Jr.

    LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)–“I have a dream,” Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. declared as he addressed a crowd of several hundred thousand gathered on the Mall around the Washington Monument. The date was Aug. 28, 1963, and America was a cauldron of social unrest.

    Civil rights leaders had called for the March on Washington in order to force the nation to deal with the so-called “race problem.” As the event drew to a close, the crowd standing in Washington’s sweltering heat waited for the man they knew would be the “closer” of the event.

    Most Americans recognized the name, face and voice of Martin Luther King Jr. He had appeared on the nation’s front pages and news broadcasts, having led major protests and movements in Montgomery, Birmingham and other cities. And yet, King was an enigma to many white Americans. What would he say?

    Interestingly, the most famous words of his speech were not included in his manuscript. King had arrived in Washington the day before and had prepared his speech in a room at the famous Willard Hotel. In “The Dream: Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Speech That Inspired a Nation,” author Drew D. Hansen provides a parallel text of Dr. King’s manuscript and his actual words. When he reached the pinnacle of his oratory, King simply departed from his prepared text and launched his speech into history.”I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.”Dr. King spoke of a dream “that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood.” More personally, ”

    I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.”In the midst of a nation torn by racial strife and social unrest, Dr. King painted an indelible picture of America as it could be and should be. His oratory was soaring, his imagery was vivid, and his cause was right. His cadences, inflections and biblical allusions gave the speech its memorable structure. His powerful argument gave the speech its moral weight. The speech is as much a part of our national memory as Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address.

    Speaking to a generation poised to reject the American dream as a lie, Dr. King challenged them to make it their own. He rejected claims that America could never be reformed or called to its moral senses.We do well to look back to 1963 and remember the reality. In the South, Jim Crow laws enforced segregation. Separate motels, restaurants, schools and water fountains marked the moral landscape. In the North, the absence of Jim Crow laws did not mean that the races were integrated. North and South, black and white Americans inhabited different worlds. African Americans were routinely denied access to accommodations, higher education and the voting booth.

    Those standing on the nation’s Mall that day could not have known that years of struggle, frustration, violence and tragedy lay ahead. Observing America in 1835, Alexis de Tocqueville wrote, “I do not imagine that the white and black race will ever live in any country upon an equal footing. But I believe the difficulty to be still greater in the United States than elsewhere.” His words proved an understatement.

    Obstructionists attempted to block racial progress at every turn. Some white Americans just could not abide the idea of racial equality and full integration. On the other hand, Stanford University professor Shelby Steele traces how many of the civil rights leaders traded moral consciousness for racial consciousness, and abandoned the vision of racial equality for identity politics.Still, America is a very different nation now. Racial discrimination is prohibited by law. Statements of prejudice are now socially unthinkable and politically incorrect. Black America can now claim the nation’s Secretary of State and the world’s leading golfer. Poverty still holds many in its grip, but the majority of African Americans are in the middle class. Nevertheless, much ground remains to be recovered.

    Southern conservatives bear a special burden, especially as Christians. I was not yet 4 years old on Aug. 28, 1963. I have no memory of hearing Dr. King deliver his famous address. A white boy raised in the South, I had not seen any black persons at close hand. I had seen black workers, field hands and children, but all at a distance. I had no black friends, no black neighbors, and saw no black faces at school or at church. To the best of my knowledge, I attended segregated schools until the fifth grade.

    Later, living in a major metropolitan area, I attended integrated middle high schools with hundreds of black students. I came to know black teenagers at school, work, Boy Scouts and other activities. I considered several of these as friends, but I never really entered their lives. It now dawns on me that I have no idea where they may be living or what they may be doing.Now, I know many African Americans as cherished friends and treasured colleagues. I cannot imagine a world in which this is not normal, nor can our children. But honesty compels me to admit that this is more because my black friends have entered my world, than that I have entered theirs.

    Christians must begin with the affirmation that all human beings are equally created in the image of God. But we also realize that we are sinners, and sin is the fundamental problem on the issue of race. Sin is so interwoven in our lives and institutional structures that we often cannot even see it. The only real remedy for the problem of racial prejudice is the transforming power of the Lord Jesus Christ. His atonement for sin is the only cure, and the only real picture of true racial reconciliation is that found in Revelation 7:9-12, where we read of the redeemed people of God as “a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the Lamb.” The Lamb will make us one.

    There is much work to do. We struggle in a fallen world until Jesus comes. By God’s grace, we know that real progress is possible and that we are accountable. The church must show the world that the new community of Jesus is called to demonstrate His glory in calling us together.Aug. 28, 1963, seems like a very long time ago. We still do not know what to do with Martin Luther King Jr. He was a complex person, and the cracks in his personal character have become more evident over time. We admire his courage and the clarity of his conviction, even as we are troubled by his flirtations with liberal theology. We simply do not know what he may have done or how he would have led, had he not been assassinated in 1968. We cannot fully enter into the mind of any man — much less a man who died nearly four decades ago.This much is clear: When Martin Luther King Jr. spoke that day from the Lincoln Memorial, he demonstrated true moral courage and spoke as a prophet. His dream was the right dream. His dream must be our dream. Our response to that dream reveals the true content of our character.

  • YS Forum Credibility

    YS Forum Credibility

    I’ve wanted to do this for a while. But I thought it would be fun to run through the top 50 most active list of YS Forum posters and just give my simple gut reactions about what I know of them. I don’t think I’ve ever personally met ANY of the top 50. This isn’t done to judge or anything, it’s just what I think.

    Here’s the Top 25 posters… I’ll do the rest later.

    My scale will be 1-10 on my “credibility chart”

    1. DKST0426 6 Derek is a cool guy. A fellow golfer. But he is so involved in the fun discussions that when I read his posts I have a hard time taking him seriously. (See blog link)
    2. Deneice 8 Deneice strikes me as an intense person who longs to have fun… but struggles to. I respect her openess in her struggle and I know that she knows pain. (See her blog link)
    3. amzgrc 7 How did he get so many posts? When Brian posts seriously, I listen. He often has excellent things to say. (See his blog link)
    4. MSLeader 6 I don’t think I’ve interacted with this poster very often. He’s got some good resources, a nice perspective.
    5. TML N/A I have no idea who this is. All the posts must be on the back-end.
    6. wmhartz 4 I used to respect Bill a lot more. But he so rarely posts anything of value. Sorry! I’m sure he is good at what he does though… we would probably get along in person.
    7. AtypicalGirl 8 Spunky and fun. Always has good things to say. She strikes me as not being super experienced in ministry… but has a great perspective.
    8. Xtreme_Xian 6 Old X has had his moments. At times he can be good and thought provoking. But most of the time he can just be argumentative for no reason. Seems overly concerned with his point of view.
    9. Casper 9 Very good guy. Rarely if ever read a post that I didn’t like.
    10. POPYouthGal 6 Hangs out mostly in the silly areas. But I’ve also seem some good questions posed and some nice answers.
    11. Sir Andy Of Here 9 A solid admin person. I like the fact that he still posts whatever he wants even though he’s gotten slapped with a forum title. I listen to what Andy says.
    12. Ruthless 10 She lives up to her name. Very respected by all.
    13. drew That’s me… I have no idea where I stand with people.
    14. strongbadgirl 6 Rarely read her posts. Hangs out mostly in the misc. category.
    15. barndog 7 Low rating reflects only that I’ve never really had much interaction. Can’t think of many discussions he’s jumped on.
    16. mac 6 No real reason… just doesn’t have a lot of cred with me.
    17. preacherphelps 6 Still feels pretty new. Can’t think of a lot of discussions I’ve seen with him as a big player.
    18. JeffPom 8 I’d like to read more of his posts.
    19. youthministerman 8 Same as above.
    20. Schnerples 9 I really like the way he handles himself on the boards.
    21. mbrow 7 Don’t know too well
    22. Pastor Matthew 9 Been a good moderator. But he also has had a lot of good things to say.
    23. StMarysLoren 5 Don’t think I’ve ever really seen her outside of the misc. category.
    24. kitkatyouthmin 5 Other than being Derek’s girlfriend… I don’t think I know much about her. She’s really nice but I would like to see her contribute more to the think tank.
    25. whd507 5 A NorCal boy… he strikes me as making loads of mistakes in the name of ministry. I lost a lot of respect for him over the IRS thing.

    Isn’t this fun? I’m sure I’ll take flack for having this list out there…. but it’s only what I think. If you don’t like it, no one is forcing you to read it. I’ll do 26-50 later.

  • kristen’s dreams came true

    About a week ago Kristen put on the Macomb Freecycle that she wanted a small kitchen table. I never thought she would actually get one, but she did!

    So after 7 1/2 years of marriage it looks like we may actually be getting to the point where we sit down together as a family and eat together. I guess this means I’ll be getting a new TV for the kitchen! I don’t think my family has sat around the table since I was a toddler. We’ve always eaten all of our meals in front of the TV.

    I know it will be good for our family but I will greatly miss my old ways.

  • moving towards Ireland

    Our team has now received about 10% of the total need for our Ireland trip. This equals about $200 per participant. Almost 100% of these funds have come through our local church special offering.

    It would be simple to say that this trip is important to me. It’s more than that, it is quite special. It is special because the people of this church, who have long been faithful to supporting long term mission is now investing in short term missions. Studies have shown that people who go on short terms are much more likely to consider full time missions later in life. It seems that this connection has now internalized and the people of Romeo are responding.

    I anticipate an overwhelming response in the month of February as students get their letters in the mail and follow up with their potential sponsors. I don’t want to put a number on it, but I hope to see a significant portion of the funding come in during the month of February. I further expect students to be humbled by who is giving. As they send out their thank you notes they will see that it wasn’t just church people who supported them… But also people who love them from their families and neighbors and teachers and even some people whom they barely know.

    In this case, it will be an outpouring of love that will humble us all and “give us the mandate” to do a good job. (Thank you President Bush!)

  • hostage!

    This is a story I am telling as part of my talk tommorow. I think this is the first time I’ve shared it publically. The rest of the talk can be found at the download area of the Light Force homepage.

    I’d like to tell you about 50 minutes of my life that has shaped the

    rest.

    As a sophomore in bible school, I was swimming in all of my

    newfound knowledge and frankly overcome with optimism. At the same time I

    realized I knew nothing and was completely inexperienced and yet I was confident

    that God would use me to change the world.

    Towards the end of the

    fall term I was looking forward to wrapping up my classes and heading home for

    the holidays. I had met the most beautiful girl on campus and fallen madly in

    love with the woman who I was pretty sure I would marry.

    All of

    that changed one fall day in late November. The day was unremarkable in every

    day. I had to work after school, I still had homework to do, and I had one last

    class of the day. As I trotted into the athletic facility on Moody’s campus I

    was looking forward to my indoor soccer class.

    The class itself

    was highly normal. Two teams engaged in a battle of footwork, skill, and funny

    bounces. Our professor, the schools soccer coach, a man whom I greatly admired

    in every way, played on the other team to even things out. After about 45

    minutes of class, as the game ended and people muddled around, another student

    and I decided to ditch out of class a few minutes early to get a jump on the

    rest of the day.

    Every other class I had ever had in that gym I

    left using the door that went straight to the locker room. For an unknown reason

    we sailed out of the main doors and into the main foyer.

    We were

    greeted by a very large man. We didn’t pay any attention to him as he walked in

    our direction since we were engaged in conversation about the game. But the man

    quickly drew our attention in that he screamed at us “I don’t want any trouble…

    get behind the desk!” In the horror of that moment I saw a street person, dirty

    and confused and obviously not belonging, and a gun.

    In the next

    3-4 minutes he quickly gathered about 10 students and employees behind the small

    enclosure that was the main desk. People leaving classes, people coming to the

    gym to work out, people on their way out of the office were all greeted like me.

    “Get behind the desk.”

    At first, I thought it was just a drill or

    some kind of a joke. But when I took my place behind the counter I could see the

    fear on the assistant athletic director’s eyes. This was real.

    Joanne, the desk worker who first encountered this man sat on the

    floor next to me praying. While she was overcome by fear, I was overcome by the

    reality that if she didn’t flip the switch to lock the main doors, there would

    be dozens of people behind this desk within 10 minutes or so. As he was off on

    the other side of the foyer accosting some more unsuspecting students, Joanne

    quickly stood up flip the switch on the desk to lock the doors and grabbed the

    phone. She calmly called 911 and left the phone off the hook.

    All

    told, 34 people ended up behind that counter by the time the first Chicago

    police officers arrived on the scene. Among them, about 20 students, a few

    employees, the soccer coach, and the assistant athletic

    director.

    What struck us all was the frantic pace of the man who

    had taken us hostage. This wasn’t a calm calculated criminal… he was obviously

    distraught. Emotionally and physically he was shaking. When he wasn’t yelling at

    us “Don’t move or I’ll kill you” he was talking to himself and pacing back and

    forth in the large foyer. It was clear that he was formulating a plan as he went

    and it clearer that he was well over his head. Clearly he wasn’t prepared to

    have 34 hostages!

    When the man became aggravated again, the police

    wisely backed off and waited for more help outside. As soon as they were

    outside, the man ordered Joanne to call WGN. The first three times she called,

    she was hung up on. On the fourth attempt she was put on hold. Not pleased by

    this lack of respect he told Joanne to stand up next to him. What he said next

    will be etched on my brain the rest of my life. He yelled to the police, “You

    get WGN here so I can read this letter then kill everyone!” Joanne fainted when

    he said this.

    The good news is that he realized that a 20 year old

    woman sprawled out the floor wasn’t going to look good, so he immediately told 2

    students to get her out of there. They were the first 3 people

    released.

    Within 15 minutes every news agency in Chicago had set up

    a satellite on the campus of Moody Bible Insitute. About the same time we could

    all see a large amount of police officers show up.

    When they

    disobeyed his order and gained entry to the building, he quickly grabbed the

    soccer coach and decided he was going to use him as a human shield. Another

    minute went by and he decided he needed more human shields; he pointed to me and

    the assistant athletic director and motioned for us to stand in front of him as

    well.

    As I stood up and turned around with my back to this guy… I

    realized that this was a big moment in my life. How had I gotten there? How was

    I going to change the world if this maniac was going to kill me on WGN? I wasn’t

    scared but I wasn’t sure what I was supposed to do. This man was about a foot

    taller than me. He squeezed himself into a corner behind the corner with me

    pulled tightly to his right side, Sean the athletic director was next to me and

    Coach Harding was on the left side. Against my kidney was pressed the cold

    reality of this guy’s gun.

    As I scanned the foyer I saw a surreal

    scene. I had seen guns before, but I had never had them pointed at me before. As

    I looked out there were about 50 police officers and SWAT team members pointing

    pistols, shotguns, and rifles pointed at us. The more the police talked to this

    man, the more hostile he got. For the next few minutes I just stood there, half

    contemplating my purpose in life and my life story and half trying to figure out

    if I should be doing something.

    It was at this moment that Coach

    Harding decided he would start talking to this man. Unlike the police, he was

    responsive to Coach. Coach started talking to him about why he was doing this.

    The man just kept saying… “I need to kill some people for what’s been

    done.”

    I turned my head to look at Coach. I could see that Coach

    was trying to look at him and he wasn’t looking back. So I decided to face my

    fate and turn around. Sean and Coach followed suit. In retrospect I think it I

    decided to do this because I wanted to look at this guy. If he was going to

    shoot me it wasn’t going to be in the back.

    In my fear I looked

    into this mans eyes. The eyes that looked back at me were filled with terror and

    anguish. But more than that I could see pain. Seeing his pain lead right into my

    training… more than letting me go… I could see that this man needed the Lord

    desperately. It all started to make sense in my mind. He hadn’t come here by

    accident. He had come here, to a Bible college, to seek God.

    In

    the next few minutes he and I talked. As he looked at me and listened to my

    testimony and gospel presentation Coach talked him into letting more people go.

    By the time I came to the end of the Romans Road, he had let go everyone but the

    three of us.

    I had presented the gospel dozens of times before I

    shared with this man. What was strikingly interesting about this time was how

    much he listened. I knew he was disturbed, I knew he was probably strung out on

    crack, but we were connecting. I could see it in his eyes. As I continued you

    could see his body shrink. This had become a private moment between 3 believers

    and a man seeking God. And yet the reality was that there were 50 cops ready to

    kill him at worst and drag him off to jail at best. He started to weep. My heart

    broke for him.

    As he let me go and I walked away I actually felt

    sorry for him. He had made a life-altering mistake but he was just a boy looking

    for God the Father.

    Within seconds, it was over. As I walked away

    a dozen cops jumped on him.

  • goodbye epson 900 printer

    As chronicled the other day, our family upgraded to a smaller and cheaper to operate inkjet printer the other day. I am happy to report that within 2 hours of putting the old one on freecycle it was in the hands of a new and proud owner.

    I am very pleased that it didn’t just sit in the basement awaiting an eventual trip to the dumpster. If someone else can use it, great! It’s a fantastic printer… Just no long met my families need.

    Best wishes to the printer in its new life.

  • tiger woods is still amazing

    Tiger has been down lately. He only won a handful of tournaments in 2004, and frankly the golf world has been humanizing him. For the past 5-6 years when people talked about Tiger they always assumed he was unstoppable on the golf course. The commentators talked him up like he was a golf god… But then he did the unthinkable. He stopped winning.

    Long story short, people were reminded the other day just how amazing Tiger can be. While shooting the latest Nike commercial he was supposed to fire a ball close to a camera… Apparently to show a ball flying close by, maybe as a swoosh moment. He reports, “The director told me to fired he ball 4 inches about the camera. And the first time I missed, it went about 10 feet above it.” Keep in mind, he’s trying to hit a screaming runner of a shot with a high iron and the lens is about 100 yards away. For most of us, this would mean that the director and his crew would be there all day just waiting for a lucky shot. Well, not with Tiger. On his second shot, Tiger blasted it right into the cameras lens… Exactly what he was aiming for.

    As a mere mortal, I do try shots like this. Sure, I’m not trying to get the ball to fit threw a 4 inch window 100 yards down range… But I’m pretty good about punching the ball through wider windows closer to me. (I’m reminded of a shot I hit in the year-ending scramble with the golf team when I snuck the ball through a 4 foot window 40 feet ahead of me and landed the ball just off the right green 215 yards away… It was a 1 in 20 shot though and I knew it!) Tiger seemed to think this was a cool feat, but not anything special.

    He closed his post shot remarks with, “I hope insurance will cover the lens.” It seems that his new bride must already have a handle on his purse strings! He’ll clear more than $20 million this year and he wants to make a claim on a $10,000 lens? Newlyweds!

  • making disciples: where do you fit in?



    this is a great help that a fellow pastor down in Alabama hooked me up with for this weeks talk! Thank you Michael! Posted by Hello